Sunday, May 15, 2005


Turkish Tabloid Enrages Germany with Nazi Comparisons.

Turkey is suffering something of an image problem in Europe these days. First came those unfortunate and truly appalling images of riot police using truncheons, tear gas and brute force against a group of women demonstrating for equal rights to mark World Women’s Day last week. Then came the women’s claims that they are so used to being kicked around that they consider it normal; they professed awe that the rest of the world found the TV images outrageous. Now, yet another scuffle — this one involving German Interior Minister Otto Schily — has Europe wondering if maybe Turkey, which badly wants membership in the European club, isn’t, as many detractors claim, too much of a jellyfish on human rights and otherwise unprepared to be welcomed into Europe.

The latest brouhaha circles around Schily — known in Germany as Iron Otto for his stern, no nonsense efficiency — and his successful push to ban a radical Turkish tabloid called Vakit from German newsstands. The paper regularly publishes inflammatory and often anti-Semitic statements, Schily charged. Indeed, in a Dec. 2004 article, the tabloid stated, “There was no Holocaust. The so-called gas chambers are also a lie. It’s nothing more than Zionist music.”

The ban — which is completely legal according to a German law forbidding the denial of the Holocaust — took effect in February. Now, Vakit has launched an over-the-top smear campaign that equates Schily with Hitler, an infamous media hater who closed all outlets that disagreed with his fanatical views. For seven days in a row, the tabloid has featured scathing stories depicting Schily as an anti-free-speech tyrant. One shows him with a black swastika on his arm, another poses him in front of a Nazi flag and in a third, a cartoonist has drawn a Hitler mustache on him. In a March 4 cover story, he appears under the blaring headline “Heil Otto! The Oven is Ready.” Germany may be well on its way to digesting its Nazi past, but one truism remains: If you want to rile up a German — particularly a male political leader — connect him to Hitler.


Blogger B.a.D said...

you got them overalls up too tight, man

i'm not antisemitic, just curious

you remind me of uncle leo from seinfeld, thinking that everyone who was remotely opposed to anything he said was because they we're an anti-semite.

7:54 AM  
Blogger B.a.D said...

it just occured to me to ask myself why i'm defining MYSELF as not being a racist, when under YOUR interests, it says "dissing canada". doesn't that make YOU a racist?

now the argument can be made that your prejudiced against germans, too... interesting

6:06 PM  
Blogger B.a.D said...

Charge Him or Release Him

Jose Padilla : U.S. Citizen Imprisoned Without Trial or Charges for 2 Years and 343 Days

6:17 PM  
Blogger yochanan said...

german butchered my wife's family

fuck um.

since when is canukistan a race?

6:49 AM  
Blogger B.a.D said...

i truly am sorry for that, but does that mean all german's are bad?

and canadians may not be a race, but it's a nationality. you know what i meant.

doesn't admitting to being racist against germany kind of make you a bigot or a hypocrite, based on some of these postings?

10:16 AM  
Blogger yochanan said...

would you say that to a black man about the KKK i doubt it. And the civil war and slavery were almost a houndred years before the holocust.

There are Germans still alive with jewish blood on there hands who never spent one day in jail. And jews are still being murdered to this day for being jewish. Last time I looked Germans are not a race eather.

And frankly I don't give a damn if i offend germans Jews did not murder germans.

Nothing racist about disagreeing with a weak unimportant country like canada what are they going to do about it send an attack moose?

2:39 PM  
Blogger B.a.D said...

nope, canada doesn't start fights FOR NO REASON.

And black people are still hunted down by the KKK, last time I checked, German's weren't still hunting down Jews.

So because we don't have like, ANY military, that makes us unimportant, right? You're making it SO easy for people to see what a typical American hick you are, I don't even have to try.

7:37 AM  
Blogger BarbaraFromCalifornia said...

It is difficult for Jews not to become riled up, as you say when hearing about anti-semitic acts.

When you loose 6 million of your people, have been kicked out of every country since the beginning of time, are subjected to numerous jokes, ridicule, and hatred, wouldn't you become a little sensitive?

b.a.d. - I only hope that you and your people, whoever they may be,will never be subjected to anything so horrible during your lifetime. I am sure you have your red-light words and issues too, and with time, you will discover what they are.

Thank you furrypress for this post.

8:05 AM  
Blogger B.a.D said...

barbara - I've never once PERSONALLY heard an anti-semitic comment in my life. And anyone who makes one needs help. I guess I'm lucky where I live that there isn't any of that.

I stand by what I say to Yochanan though... not ALL Germans hate Jews today, probably an amazingly small percentage. ALL KKK members hate blacks, so that's not much of a comparasin.

9:18 AM  
Blogger BarbaraFromCalifornia said...

I agree with you b.a.d.: not all Germans are Jew haters. In fact, many Germans are Jews. But you must understand where yochannan is coming from and it is a place where he and his family have had a personal experience of hatred resulting in pure evil.

All KK members hate both Jews and Blacks. In this case, we are not alone for a change. Hatred, in any form, against any group of people is not right, especially when it results in murder and persecution.
Please try to put yourself in the shoes of someone whose family or wife's family has been exterminated because of hatred. You might feel differently.

All best.

3:07 PM  
Blogger Emmunah said...

What does b.a.d.'s comments have to do with the Turkish turn toward insanity? Trying to talk to Turks is like trying to talk to walls. It is against Turkish law to critisize Turkey, or to critisize Kemal Ataturk...they deny the Armenian Genocide, and they say idiotic things to you when you talk to Turks were here before the Armen and Kurds. You have to do everything you can to resist laughing or rolling your eyes. It's just impossible, because this is what they are taught in school, and they just can't imagine that they might be wrong, nor do they live in a democracy where one could read and reason about various historical figures like Ataturk. A culture based on denial, and faced with an encroaching truth, will react with fascistic tactics and go in other crazy directions looking for a way to escape the truth.

BTW: what are the chances that bad is my anonymous? Stereotyping people, being personally insulting, and intentionally provoking arguments.

3:12 PM  
Blogger Emmunah said...

Yochanan: I know this is off topic, but do you know how to do the middle eastern type marquetry? I have two small tables from Damascus, and they have a large star of david inlaid with mother of pearl and various different colors of wood. They are very old and chipped, with much of the inlay destroyed. I just wonder if anyone does this by hand anymore? It must take forever, and a lot of talent and good eyesight (or magnifying glasses:). I just really love it and wish I could learn to do it. Let me know if you have heard of people still doing it by hand okay?

3:20 PM  
Blogger yochanan said...

emmunah off topic is fine

I do wood carving for printmaking and sometimes as wood carving. I have never done wood enlay maybe you could find a refinisher who could do this.

3:38 PM  
Blogger Vladimir said...

Yochanan, if you want I can sent you a report about anti-semitism in Turkish media. I wondered why Israël still haves business with Turkey (after reading the report)

7:53 AM  
Blogger yochanan said...

I wish Israel had a choice but if it refused to trade with countries that had problems with anti-semitism there would be no one to trade with.

I am pessimistic Iran is now using the same type of propaganda that the Nazi's used in the 30's I expect a nuke exchange in the next 5 years. I pray to god that I am wrong.

6:12 PM  
Blogger Vladimir said...

Antisemitism in the Turkish Media: Part 1

Vatan: "We know you and the circles known as the 'Jewish lobby' as 'friends of Turkey.' Has this changed?"

Jacobs: "[…] The Jewish-American community has never lost the championship in 'support for Turkey' to anyone. These people [American Jews] who have defended Turkey's rights in the U.S. Congress and the administration are not [all] experts in foreign policy, but they do read the news and articles like the one by The Wall Street Journal editor Robert Pollock about the anti-Americanism in Turkey. Then they come to the Jewish organizations like ours and ask: 'Why are you still supporting that country?'"

Vatan: "Do you think anti-Americanism and antisemitism are at serious levels?"

Jacobs: "Yes, it's very grave. In fact, this is due to the recent rise in nationalism in Turkey. We see this nationalism in the Turkish military which has a very deeply rooted relationship with the American military, [as well as] in the government and all the political parties […]"

Very bad decision to support Turks

1:06 AM  
Blogger yochanan said...

I am worried about the turkish bigotry and its increase. Both anti-semitism and anti-kurdish bigotry. I am well aware of its past history as my step father was a armeanian refuge.

Is the main reason for the turks stiff hand of the Kurds of occupied North Kurdistan the oil pipe line that passes through this land.

5:28 PM  
Blogger Vladimir said...

Yes, I think you heard about the latest "Armenian genocide" conference? There were named as traitors and it was cancelled.. nice talk of Erdogan, but just words no practise. Turkey doesn't care.

3:23 PM  
Blogger yochanan said...

I had not heard of that, although it does not surprise me.

could you send more info?

8:29 PM  
Blogger Vladimir said...

2:47 AM  
Blogger yochanan said...

Turkish PM tries to defuse crisis over halting Armenia conference

ISTANBUL, May 27 (AFP) - 23h07 - Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Friday tried to defuse a crisis over squelching a debate on the mass killings of Armenians under the Ottoman Empire which has provoked concern in the EU.
A landmark conference questioning the official line on the mass killings that had been due to open Wednesday at Istanbul's prestigious Bogazici University was postponed after Justice Minister Cemil Cicek accused the participants of "treason."

Cicek condemned the initiative as "a stab in the back of the Turkish nation" and said the organizers of the conference of Turkish academics and intellectuals who dispute Ankara's version of the 1915-1917 massacres deserved to be prosecuted.

The minister's intervention sparked concern within the EU, which is due to open membership talks with Ankara later this year, about Turkey's commitment to democratic norms.

Erdogan tried Friday to distance his government from Cicek's statements.

"Cemil Cicek is the spokesman of our government. He made a statement but not a statement of the government, it was a personal statement," Erdogan was quoted as saying by the Anatolia news agency.

The killings, one of the most controversial episodes in Ottoman history, is rarely discussed in schools and the aborted conference would have been the first by Turkish personalities to question the official stand on the events.

Several countries have recognized the massacres as genocide -- a term Turkey fiercely rejects -- and Brussels has urged Ankara to face its past and expand freedom of speech.

The incident follows a brutal police clampdown on a women's demonstration in Istanbul in March, which also raised tensions between the European Union and Turkey.

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Thanks for the link Vladimir

3:48 AM  

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